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    Ok, I assume most, if not all, the Z's are tucked away for the winter so now it's time for the winter project list. I will be, or have already started, doing the following:

    1) Replace heater core and the one hose that I didn't replace last time (which is now leaking) I pulled everything apart to replace the water cock. I was not very happy to find coolant under the carpets AARGH!
    2) Repaint hatch, replace glass and rubber seal. The peeling paint has been bugging me for some time now and the glass has some deep scratches that run down the centre. I have found a place that is pretty confident that they can match the existing paint (let's hope they can or this could end-up looking like crap [i.e. like a saddle on a horse]). I have removed the glass and prepped the hatch for paint already. I was also able to clean up some glass that I pulled from a parts car (the key was using an SOS pad to remove the years of dirt etc accumulated from sitting outside). It is not perfect but much better than what I have. I have installed the new rubber seal on the new glass and reinserted the chrome trim (just need painted hatch + get it tinted to match the rest of the glass). Any tips on installing the glass would be appreciated (I have seen a youtube video on how to rope it in but don't want to screw this up).
    3) Replace front air dam that I had repaired last year but still looks like crap. Thanks to WhiteSpeed I have ordered a new one from performanceparts4less. I will get this painted along with hatch.
    4) I ordered rebuilt/polished carbs with all linkages (including throttle) back to the firewall from Zeddsavver. I had hoped to go with a full setup including intake, heat shield from Paltech but the Zeddsaver carbs were the cheaper route. Norm at Zeddsaver seems to know his stuff, I guess I will find out if he does in the spring. Once the dust settles on my bank account I will also probably order a reconditioned (shaved/plugged)balance tube from Norm. A cad plated fuel rail would also be nice.
    5) Replace tail light chrome trim with some nice ones I got off eBay. Done, but for some reason they don't look as nice as they did in the basement. Once again, a slight improvement.

    That's the major stuff. It's becoming painfully obvious that buying a fully restored Z would have been the cheaper route. Of course, where's the fun in that.
    Last edited by colinc; 11-18-2012, 11:10 AM.

  • #2
    Colin,
    I've met Norm and he is a little quirky but he knows his stuff. I bought a cad plated fuel rail from him and while it wasn't perfect, it looked quite nice and a lot better than what I had. He has a pretty good reputation out west but he is slow with his turnaround so stay on him. The shaved balance tube will look sweet as well... I had one on the black 240Z with the cad plated fuel rail and I really liked how it popped.
    Chris
    Attached Files
    1/74 - 260Z. L26, 4 spd- 65000 original miles. SOLD
    1/73- 510 2 door project (bare shell resto) IN PROGRESS

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    • #3
      Originally posted by joker72z View Post
      Colin,
      I've met Norm and he is a little quirky but he knows his stuff. I bought a cad plated fuel rail from him and while it wasn't perfect, it looked quite nice and a lot better than what I had. He has a pretty good reputation out west but he is slow with his turnaround so stay on him. The shaved balance tube will look sweet as well... I had one on the black 240Z with the cad plated fuel rail and I really liked how it popped.
      Chris
      Chris,
      That definitely was a nice setup you had in your old 240z, I can only hope that mine gets close to that . Yes, Norm is a bit quirky. He had me on the phone to Vancouver for about 45 minutes (can't wait to get that bill) but he was very knowledgeable. He rebuilds the carbs himself and has sold many through eBay with 100% rating.

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      • #4
        All the projects that were put on hold. I have nearly full range of motion and most of the strength back in the hand. The break was actually worse than originally thought. Found out at a followup visit that all but one carpal bones were fractured. Some nerve problems persist due to pressure from swelling and inflamation and will take up to a year to regenerate.

        I have been doing other jobs on cars in the fleet with only minor inconveniences caused by numbness in the fingers but everything is fine so far.
        71 510 wagon
        72 CB450
        74 CB360T
        2013 Toyota Corolla
        Formerly 510er
        It's amazing how one tiny capacitor can wreak so much havoc.

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        • #5
          Well here in Windsor, weather is perfect for driving and Wednesday night , off to Toronto for a diff swap at Whiteheads. Gonna have a few minor things looked at and assess why I'm getting smoke from breather vent (blowby), compression, crankcase leak down, etc.

          Joker. Nice clean engine. IMO, get rid of the manifold heating. It'll help with vapour lock and eliminate hoses that could spring a leak. Manifold heating only required for winter driving for icing prevention. Also insulate those fuel rails. I had huge stumbling problems...thought ignition, fuel pump, etc but after hours of reading , I found others with similar issues that narrowed it down to vapour lock. Fuel in the rails get too hot.
          I'm going to work on fabing a fibreglass fresh air intake, get the inspection lids louvered to relieve some underhood heat, replace heater hoses and control valve, hook up the 2 bottom heater cables so that I don't have to reach down by my right foot to adjust the damper, clean up heater control panel..get new stickers, remove intake/carb assy to clean and polish, fix minor cracks on some of the interior panels, replace the dome light, get the wrinkles out of the headliner, maybe replace weather stripping (worried that the new stuff will be too thick and closing the doors will be hard), maybe yank the seats again and carpets to do some cleaning up and look for any spots to touch up. I'd consider yanking the engine to do a perfect job of cleaning it and the engine bay but that may be over my head. Not much height clearance in my garage. Probably remove everything from the inside fenders, rad, battery to clean the engine bay up and repaint with black heat paint.She's a pretty clean car but I love to tinker. Sunday early afternoon, tunes were playing and a Pete Townshend tribute came on. I was in heaven. Workin' on the car, listen to the greatest. Life is good

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Curtis View Post
            Well here in Windsor, weather is perfect for driving and Wednesday night , off to Toronto for a diff swap at Whiteheads. Gonna have a few minor things looked at and assess why I'm getting smoke from breather vent (blowby), compression, crankcase leak down, etc.

            Joker. Nice clean engine. IMO, get rid of the manifold heating. It'll help with vapour lock and eliminate hoses that could spring a leak. Manifold heating only required for winter driving for icing prevention. Also insulate those fuel rails. I had huge stumbling problems...thought ignition, fuel pump, etc but after hours of reading , I found others with similar issues that narrowed it down to vapour lock. Fuel in the rails get too hot.
            I'm going to work on fabing a fibreglass fresh air intake, get the inspection lids louvered to relieve some underhood heat, replace heater hoses and control valve, hook up the 2 bottom heater cables so that I don't have to reach down by my right foot to adjust the damper, clean up heater control panel..get new stickers, remove intake/carb assy to clean and polish, fix minor cracks on some of the interior panels, replace the dome light, get the wrinkles out of the headliner, maybe replace weather stripping (worried that the new stuff will be too thick and closing the doors will be hard), maybe yank the seats again and carpets to do some cleaning up and look for any spots to touch up. I'd consider yanking the engine to do a perfect job of cleaning it and the engine bay but that may be over my head. Not much height clearance in my garage. Probably remove everything from the inside fenders, rad, battery to clean the engine bay up and repaint with black heat paint.She's a pretty clean car but I love to tinker. Sunday early afternoon, tunes were playing and a Pete Townshend tribute came on. I was in heaven. Workin' on the car, listen to the greatest. Life is good
            Curtis,

            If you are concerned about the weather stripping fitting properly (I had major issues with the stuff from Black Dragon) I suggest going with Kia Sportage weather stripping. There are numerous threads about this on classiczcar.com and a few on this site. Also, I’m sorry but I have to disagree that Pete Townsend is the greatest. He has a unique style (as a guitarist) but pales in comparison to some of the greats (Clapton, Hendrix, Page etc)
            Last edited by colinc; 11-20-2012, 05:04 PM.

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            • #7
              Curtis,
              Do you need a new set of labels for your heater control panel? If so let me know and I will send you a set.
              JLP

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              • #8
                My winter projects on my newly restored 72 are as follows: I am in the process of gathering working and non working antennas as to restore and put together a bullet point working original antenna. Install the clock I just got back from Zclocks (upgraded to quartz movement). Work on a few electrical gremlins the car came back from restoration with (getting every buzzer, light and indicator working properly). I sent out a set of seat belts to Ssnake Oyl for restoration (disassembled parts powder coated or plated as needed, new webbing and new information labels). Waiting of a few clamps and screws from Norm. Once I put her to sleep for the winter I have a new BRE car cover and a Car Jacket for winter storage.

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                • #9
                  Curtis, I drove that car for 3 years with no issues and never experienced vapor lock or anything else for that matter. Heat from city driving, cooler weather and even elevation when it went up to Whistler and back. The fuel rails were perfectly fine without that god awful insulated wrap. Everyone has their opinion but I drove mine almost every other day and never once had to address these concerns. My 2 cents.
                  1/74 - 260Z. L26, 4 spd- 65000 original miles. SOLD
                  1/73- 510 2 door project (bare shell resto) IN PROGRESS

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by colinc View Post
                    Curtis,

                    If you are concerned about the weather stripping fitting properly (I had major issues with the stuff from Black Dragon) I suggest going with Kia Sportage weather stripping. There are numerous threads about this on classiczcar.com and a few on this site. Also, I’m sorry but I have to disagree that Pete Townsend is the greatest. He has a unique style (as a guitarist) but pales in comparison to some of the greats (Clapton, Hendrix, Page etc)
                    Pete is one of the best. There's something about his music and thank you re the weather stripping. My last Zee had new weather stripping and the doors had to be slammed. This site has been kicking me off after I send a message. Mr Purcell, email me at home [email protected]
                    I attached the antenna pics. My fresh air intake works great. As much as do not want to, I may make the one hole beside the rad larger to accomodate the intake.
                    Attached Files

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                    • #11
                      It has nothing to do about an opinion. Its a fact I experienced and fixed it by doing what I did. I couldn't even touch the rails it was that hot and my engine always runs 1/2 gage. As far as the insulation wrap, it does the job and as far as looks, it doesn't bug me. Vapour lock exists and is a very common problem, ask the pros. Those that install an electric fuel pump over come the issue because the pressure is higher than the gas vapour pressure. In fact, if someone had major issues with this after buying the car, one option was hood louvers for the 240z to relief under hood temperature.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Curtis View Post
                        Vapour lock exists and is a very common problem.
                        More of an exception than the norm. (I don't want to frighten new owners thinking these cars are vapour lock monsters.) I have had many a Z, Even swapped in SU's into my 280 and never had an issue of vapour lock, though I admit my 280 had the hood louvers. Never had issues with my triple webers that had a deadhead fuel rail (no return line) I found that unless tracking the car (which I did for years) vapour lock issues were typically due to old equipment not functioning correctly and/or poor tune/setup/mods. These cars are 40yrs old now. A 40yr old rad may work, but how well?

                        As for winter projects...I have none this year. This will be my first WHOLE winter with NO projects in 25yrs! Funny too, as it is the FIRST WHOLE winter without a Z parked in the garage. Weird huh?

                        Cheers,
                        Scott.
                        Zen is finding a bolt on your Z that is not rusted solid
                        1981 280ZXT
                        VG30ET Powered 280Z sold and missed
                        Sixteen other various Z's
                        Ontario Z Car Member #002

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                        • #13
                          Which "pros" are you talking about? If you think Whitehead's have all the answers, I think you need a second opinion. I have owned 9 Datsun's so far and I am sure there are guys like Scott (ZR8ED) who can chime in as he has done already. years of ownership and driving under various conditions will tell you more then the so called experts who wrench all day. keep in kind they get paid to express their expert opinion to consumers. If they didn't tell you it needs fixing, would you give them your money?

                          Again, I believe perception, and a lot of personal opinion is what drives these types of debates. I'll bank on my years of actual driving to support my claims.
                          1/74 - 260Z. L26, 4 spd- 65000 original miles. SOLD
                          1/73- 510 2 door project (bare shell resto) IN PROGRESS

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                          • #14
                            Whiteheads (Mike) have convinced me on a few occasions, not to spend money on certain items. In fact the 1st Zee I had that he inspected, he urged me to sell instead of allowing me to drop a few thousand. I don't mind paying a few hundred bucks in labour to get it done right, the first time. His opinion has saved me plenty and I respect that.
                            At 50 years old, having owned over 30 vehicles in my life, previous small engine mechanic, now engineer by trade, I'm not naive to what one expert may say. I'm no greenhorn and I consider myself very good at "sorting out opinions" to come up with a logical answer.
                            There's a lot of info out there to help trouble shoot before you even look at your car. I use this info very wisely. I'm sure that some so called self proclaimed experts mess up and pay more in the end...that's how they learn. I did this in my teens, learned the hard way so now I tackle what I know I can finish. As far as vapour lock, this was not discussed with Mike. It was multiple web info and after reading of guys spending years of replacing this and that and still dealing with this issue they finally solved the problem. Thanks to them for sharing this with others, it made my issue short lived.
                            This is one of many resources I used for this issue http://www.zhome.com/Care/z_cooling.htm
                            Not sure if you've actually met Mike at Whiteheads and if you have not, why the remarks about their business? Cutting down someones character without reason tells me a few things.

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                            • #15
                              I'm approaching 50 and have owned well in excess of 30 cars as well. Many older and newer.
                              I want to clarify that you didn't read anywhere in my post that I named Mike or Whitehead's Performance. I have met Mike and he seems like a very good guy. My reference to guys who wrench was a general overview of those who get paid to fix your car and the tactics they use to generate that business. Assuming I painted them specifically with that brush tells me a few things as well.

                              We can agree to disagree. I'm good with that.
                              1/74 - 260Z. L26, 4 spd- 65000 original miles. SOLD
                              1/73- 510 2 door project (bare shell resto) IN PROGRESS

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